Tuesday, February 18, 2014

Ex-servicemen salary fixation!!

Many Ex-servicemen asking for clarification for thier fitment of salary in Bank.
Here is the latest clarification/circular issued by IBA/Govt.

You may calculate your fitment amount and represent to your bank, if u r eligible for an higher Pay.



Indian Banks’ Association
HR & Industrial Relations
No. HR&IR/CIR/2013-14/589/8764                                                                        January 30, 2014

To Chief Executives of Public Sector Banks
Dear Sir,
Pay Fixation of Ex-Servicemen Re-Employed in Public Sector Banks
We refer to our letter No. HR&IR/CIR/2012-13/76/589/5850 dated 6.9.2012 regarding re-fixation of pay of ex-serviceman re-employed in Banks on or after 1.1.2006.
2.            Keeping in view the fact that all the Public Sector Banks are enjoying autonomy in their HR matters, the Ministry of Finance, vide its letter dated 22nd March, 2013, requested IBA to frame uniform guidelines for fixation of pay of Ex-Servicemen upon their re-employment in PSBs, in consonance with the Government of India’s policy in the matter and the principle of fairness. The letter further stated that the system of re-employment should be reviewed comprehensively to allow Ex-Servicemen to have their pay protected upon re-employment in PSBs. IBA was requested to have these issues considered and examined in consultation with the PSBs and send their considered opinion/comments to the Ministry of Finance, Department of Financial Services for necessary action.
3.            Accordingly, IBA constituted a Working Group, consisting of three senior officers drawn from banks and prepared a report. With the approval of the Managing Committee at its meeting held on 6th June, 2013, the Report of the Working Group was sent to DFS for their consideration and to issue necessary guidelines. The Ministry of Finance, vide letter dated 19th July, 2013, advised IBA to take appropriate decision in the matter of pay fixation of re-employed Ex-Servicemen in PSBs as deemed fit. While doing so, IBA was asked to ensure that such pay fixation is in consonance with DOPT guidelines issued from time to time that all PSBs follow the guidelines uniformly to avoid disparity in pay fixation across PSBs.
4.            As desired by DFS, a “draft” guidelines to be issued to PSBs was sent to the DFS vide our letter dated 27th August, 2013 for their examination and their approval.
5.            Now, the Ministry of Finance, DFS, vide their letter dated 30th December, 2013 (copy enclosed), has advised that the draft guidelines prepared by IBA generally appear in order. However, before issue of these guidelines to all PSBs, it is desirable to ensure that no decision is contradictory to established Government Policy and that none of these are violative of DOPT or Ministry of Defence (MOD)/Ministry of Finance instructions on this subject.
6.            Draft guidelines, approved by the Ministry of Finance, Department of Financial Services with some suggestions were put up to the Management Committee of IBA at its meeting held on 28.1.2014 for approval. The Committee has approved these guidelines as per annexure enclosed for compliance by Banks.
All the Banks are therefore advised to implement these guidelines regarding pay fixation of ex-servicemen on their re-employment on or after 1.1.2006.
Yours faithfully,
         Sd/-(K. Unnikrishnan)
        Deputy Chief Executive
Encl:
cc to:  Chief Executives of Private Sector Banks – For information.





Annexure
Guidelines for Pay Fixation of Ex-Servicemen/Ex-ECOs/SSCOs Re-employed in Public Sector Banks on or after 1.1.2006
Fixation of pay of ex-servicemen in Public Sector Banks is governed by the guidelines/instructions issued by the Government of India from time to time. Accordingly, based on the Government Guidelines/instructions in force, issued vide DoPT O.M. No. 3/19/2009-Estt. (Pay II) dated the 5th April, 2010 and clarification given vide O.M. No. 3/19/2009-Estt. (Pay-II) dated the 8th November, 2010, fitment of pay of ex-servicemen / ex-ECOs/SSCOs, who have been appointed in the Bank on or after 1.1.2006 is to be done as under:
2.1          Ex-servicemen joining in workmen cadre
Pay fixation of an ex-serviceman would be through protection of pay plus D.A. drawn by him at the time of released from Armed Forces. As per the instructions issued by the Ministry of Defence vide their letter No. 1/69/2008/D (Pay/Service) dated the 24th July, 2009 and advised by DoPT vide OM No. 3/19/2009-Estt. (Pay II) dated the 8th November, 2010, pre-retirement pay has been defined as under:
(i)            In respect of re-employment taking place on or after 1.1.2006, pre-retirement pay for those who retired after 1.1.2006, means the pay in the pay band plus grade pay but inclusive of non-practicing Allowance (NPA) if any, last drawn before retirement.
(ii)           In case of officers who retired before 1.1.2006 and also those who retired after 1.1.2006 in the pre-revised pay scales without opting for the revised pay scales promulgated on or after 1.1.2006 the pay will be basic pay including stagnation increment and Rank Pay plus Dearness Pay and Dearness Allowance drawn at the time of retirement. As such, the figure of pay plus D.A. admissible in the Bank will be fixed with reference to this protection i.e. pay as mentioned above plus D.A. and relevant stage of the basic pay in the re-employed scale will be determined after deducting DA admissible in the Bank from the figure protected. For the purpose of fixation of pay on re-employment, the pay would mean the basic pay plus the special allowance /special pay as the case may be, attached to the re-employed post (where applicable). As the MSP has not been included in pre-retirement pay as per the definition given by the Ministry of Defence vide letter No. 1/69/2008/D (Pay/Service) dated 24.7.2009, the protection of the component of MSP in re-fixation of pay in Bank has been excluded. Moreover, the ex-servicemen on re-employment in the banks are allowed to draw entire pension i.e. entire pension is ignored and not reduced from the re-fixed pay. As such, they will get the benefit of the component of Military Service Pay (MSP), if any, in their pension from the Government.
(iii)          In addition to the pay so fixed, as aforesaid, pension and other retirement benefits may be allowed to be drawn. This will, however, be subject to limitation that the aggregate of re-employed pay and pension on re-employment of ex-servicemen would not exceed the minimum of the scale of pay of the General Manager in the Bank as per Ministry of Finance letter No. F4/1/98-SCT(B) dated 2.9.1998.
2.2          Ex-Emergency Commissioned Officer/Short Service Commissioned Officer – Joining in Officers Cadre
                Pay of an Ex-ECO/SSCO will be fixed at the minimum of the pay scale. Thereafter, he will be allowed as many increments as the completed years of service he has put in the Armed Forces subject to the condition that the total emoluments in the re-employed post do not exceed the total emoluments excluding HRA and CCA he was drawing at the time of his release from the Armed Forces. In case this total exceeds to total emoluments drawn at the time of release from Armed Forces, the basic pay in the re-employed post will be fixed at such a stage, where the total emoluments would be either equal or just less than the total emoluments he was drawing at the time of his release from the Armed Forces. The benefits of pay fixation as mentioned above will be available to those EX-ECOs/SSCOs who join in Junior Management Grade Scale-I (i.e. the lowest rank in Officers’ cadre). If the officer is inducted in a higher pay scale as compared to the lower scale applicable to officers in the Bank, it may be ensured that he gets at least the benefit in pay which would have accrued to him by giving him the weightage of the number of years of service put in as ECO/SSCO with reference to the minimum of the lowest scale i.e., JMGS-I.
                ECOs/SSCOs during the pre-commissioned training period are neither given the rank of Commissioned Officer nor they are allowed the scale of pay. Therefore, the period spent on pre-commissioned training by ECOs/SSCOs cannot be taken into account for the purpose of pay fixation on their re-employment.
2.3          Ex-Service Officer Joining in Workmen Cadre:-
                In terms of Ministry of Finance letter No. 202/8/7/86-SCT(B) dated the 22nd March, 1988, there is no bar to any Ex-Service Officer joining the workmen’s cadre in the Bank in which case his pay may be fixed as under:
(i)            In case where the entire pension and pensionary benefits are not ignored for pay fixation, the initial pay on re-employment shall be fixed at the same stage as the last pay drawn before retirement. If there is no such stage in the re-employed post, the pay shall be fixed at the stage below that pay. If the maximum of the pay scale in which a pensioner is re-employed is less than the last pay drawn by Ex-Service Officer before retirement, his initial pay shall be fixed at the maximum of the re-employed post.
(ii)           If the minimum of the scale of pay in which a pensioner is re-employed is more than the last pay drawn by him before retirement, his initial pay shall be fixed at the minimum of the scale of pay at the re-employed post. However, in all these cases, the non ignorable part of the pension and pension equivalent of retirement benefits as prescribed from time to time shall be reduced from the pay so fixed. The pay for this purpose will exclude compensatory allowances e.g., HRA, CCA, etc.
(iii)          Those ECOs/SSCOs who are appointed in clerical cadre in the Bank will also be given the benefit of number of years of service put in by them as ECOs/SSCOs with reference to the pay point corresponding to the minimum of the scale applicable to the clerical cadre/posts in the Bank.
(iv)         Ex-Servicemen who are graduates may be given increments for graduation irrespective of the fact whether they have passed graduation before joining the service of the bank or afterwards. However, if the ex-serviceman had been given some benefit for graduation which was reflected in the pay drawn by him while in the armed services, the fitment in the Bank’s scale has to be done after withdrawing such additional benefit and thereafter the two increments for graduation must be given.
(v)          An ex-serviceman whose qualification is treated as equivalent to that of a graduate is not be treated as a graduate to earn the benefit of increments in terms of Awards/Settlements. In other words this benefit will be available to an ex-serviceman only if he has passed civil examination equivalent to graduation.
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File No. 4/3/2012-SCT(B)/Welfare
Ministry of Finance
Department of Financial Services
(Welfare)
Jeevan Deep Building,
Parliament Street, New Delhi.
Dated 30th December, 2013
To
                The Chairman,
                Indian Banks, Association,
                World Trade Centre Complex,
                Centre-I, 6th Floor,          
              Cuffe Parade, Mumbai – 5
Subject: Alleged discrimination in the matter of pay fixation of Ex-servicemen re-employed in Public Sector Banks.
Sir,
            I am directed to refer to your letter No. HR&IR/KSC/GOVT/589/7746, dated 27th August, 2013 sending therewith ‘Draft Guidelines’ regarding pay fixation of ex-servicemen /Ex-ECOs/SSCOs in a uniform way to avoid disparity in pay fixation across Public Sector banks and to say that draft guidelines generally appear in order.
2.            However, before issue of these guidelines to all Public Sector Banks, it is desirable to ensure that no decision is contradictory to established government policy and that none of these are violative of Department of Personnel & Training (DOP&T) or Ministry of Defence (MOD) instructions on this subject. Therefore, adding a supporting clause below each decision clarifying. “These provisions have been drawn in terms of GoI, DOP&T’s OM/MoD/DFS letter No. ……………… dated …………..” would be in the fitness of things. For example, “Definition of ‘Pre-retirement Pay’ is as per MoD’s letter No. 1/69/2008/D (Pay/Service) dated 24th July, 2009”.
3.            Further, the fact whether additional increments to ex-servicemen for acquiring graduation would also be available or not to those who are awarded ‘Certificate equivalent to Graduation’ by their previous employer also needs to be clarified. Proposed revised guideline should also include a para clarifying the concept of ‘not reckoning ‘MSP’ and ‘X-pay’ for the purpose of pay fixation in respect of those Ex-servicemen who have retired from the armed forces and re-employees in PSBs on or after 1.1.2006’.
4.            The date of implementation of these guidelines, prospective or retrospective and the mode of tackling effect of financial implications, if any also needs to be clarified.
5.            Keeping in view above suggestions, kindly issue necessary guidelines at the earliest.
Yours faithfully,
             Sd/-
(J.S. Phaugat)
Under Secretary (Wel.)



67 comments:

vinod gupta said...

nice updation waiting for graduation increment since last 4yrs .now it will be settled
thanks

vinod gupta

Sudeepta Bose said...

Thanks sir for such great news. Can you please clarify What does NPA(Non Practicing Allowances) means in the topic?

venkat said...

Whether DA and Dearness Pay are to be considered for Pay Fixation for exservicemen re-employed in PSBs during Jan 1981. Banks have considered only Basic Pay and ignored both DA and Dearness Pay for fixation of pay. Kindly confirm whether Banks were correct as per applicable rules during Jan 1981.

Anonymous said...

Dear Mr Venkat,
During fitment if the DA portion is added then there is huge difference in fitment between the same dated joining and same rank with different discharge date. As they consider the DA while discharge and deduct from present DA which makes a lot of difference, i.e. in my bach of joining the SGTs of 2006 are fitted with BP with 9400/- where as SGTs of 2011 retired fitted with 15100/-. If the DA is not taken into calculation then the fitment for same rank retired ex servicemen will be same.
Debasis Sahoo United Bank of India

Sahidul Islam said...

Dear sir, Just one line can you state that those retired from service after jul 2009 whose MSP is reflecting in pension book, should they will get pay protection including MSP!

Anonymous said...

Dear sir,
please clarify, those Ex-servicemen retired during 2009 & joined in PSBs are illegible for MSP & X GP or not & what are the components of NPA(Non Practicing Allowances) means in the topic. sbi is not giving protection of MSP & X-GP pay

brahma said...

SIR, STILL WE ARE IN DARK WHETHER MSP & x- GP PAY ARE PROTECTED OR NOT, THOSE RETIRED DURING 2009 & JOINED IN PSBs. SBI IS NOT CONSIDERING MSP & X GP PAY IN FITMENT.

Ramesh Babu said...

DEAR EX-SERVICEMEN, I COULD NOT UNDERSTAND THIS LATEST GUIDELINES ISSUED BY IBA (ALL CONTENTS IN THIS GUIDELINES CALLED LETTER ARE OLD ONLY) WHY IBA IS ADDING MORE CONFUSION ABOUT MSP, X-PAY FOR THOSE WHO RETIRE AFTER 01 JAN 2006 HAVING MSP XPAY IN THEIR RETIREMENT BENEFITS(PPO) NO CLARITY GIVEN. AS ENGLISH LANGUAGE IS SO TRICKY TO UNDERSTAND SOME BANK MANAGEMENTS ARE TAKING FULL ADVANTAGE BY NOT PAYING MSP, XPAY TO DESERVED PEOPLE.

Anonymous said...

Sir

I agree with you in principle but would you please clarify on dearness relief on pension that includes the msp and x pay ..how would you justify to this effect when banks ask us to surrender entire da on pension .plz issue necessary guidelines ..

Thanking you
Sanjay

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Anonymous said...

Sir, i took discharge in 2001,as sgt, and joined in sbi in 2013 feb,at age of 50yrs. Only after joining in sbi, i have realised the pay structure and the differences. It is heartbreaking to see, that i would not get any fitment benefit, including MSP . May be there will be around one thousand employees across all PSBs,of my nature of case in the whole nation, who joined the bank late,and getting half of total salary of fellow Ex servicemen,joined after 2006. Now a Multinational PSB such as SBI,does not have clarity about uniform salary structure.Comment please.

Amitabh Sharma said...

fixation of pay of ex-servicemen retired prior to 01.01.02006 and re-employed after 01.01.2006 is not instructed as per the guidelines given in the Para 3(v) letter no. DOPT O.M. NO. 3/19/2009 – Estt (pay-II) dated 05 Apr 2010 which is as follows- “Fixation of pay of personnel/officers who retired prior to 1.1.2006 and who have been re-employed after 1.1.2006:-- In the case of personnel/officers who had retired prior to 1.1.2006 and who have been re-employed after 1.1.2006, their pay on re-employment will be fixed by notionally arriving at their revised basic pay at the time of retirement as if they had retired under the revised pay structure. This will be done with reference to the fitment table of the Defence Service Rank/Civilian service post (as the case may be) from which they had retired and the stage of basic pay at the time of their retirement.”PLEASE GUIDE US WHAT TO DO.

anubhav said...

i retired with basic pay rs 12210 and grade pay rs 4200 and classifiation pay and gccb rs 540 total salary 16950 plus 72% da total salary (rs 29154 basic pay plus DA)excluding military service pay what would be my basic pay and total salary given by bank which i have joined on 01 apr 14

chand khan said...

khan said...
I retired on mar 2013 with basic pay 11550, grade pay 2800,x pay-1400,msp 2000,Dearness allowance @80% 14200 and classification pay 240 total grass to Rs 32190/-. I joined Andhra Bank on 02 Apr 2013. and my pay fixation done at a basic of 18500/- with two graduation increments and on 02 Apr 14 i got one icrement of 800/- and my basic reached to 19300/ but yesterday ie 26-4-14 i received a letter from head office of andhra bank that my basic has been revised as per IBA letter dated 12 apr 14 to not to consider msp in fixation and they refixed my basic to 16500/- and with one year icrement they fixed to 17200/-.Drawn eariers are to be paid back.Kumar sir can you guide me in this matter?what should i do. I didnt know how they are fixing basic any coresponding scale with grass to bank fitment pleas post. thanks alot.

suresh thalor said...

I would agree with observation of comments by Mr Amitabh Sharma of 14/04/2014 and would like to add here that the new policy issued by IBA on fixation of pay of ex-servicermen still bears anomalies particularly on Para 3(v) of DOPT order dated 5th April 2010 since hike in pay perks of defence personnel was2.86 times during 6th pay commission which is main reason their counterparts even being senior in age and service both who retired prior to 31 december 2005 get their pay fixed at lower stage.

Again there is no mention of counting of defence service for granting increments for total service rendererd by EC and SSC whereas this is there for clerks and skts in DOPT order of 1986 (Para 15 refers).

Welfare department in their letter while clearing latest policy to IBA have also mentioned that their should be no deviation of DOPT, Ministry of Defence and DFS orders in the policy. which still persists and needs rectification

thanks

Anonymous said...

Pay protection of ex servicemen on reemployment

March 21, 2013 by admin 4 Comments

GOVERNMENT OF INDIA
MINISTRY OF DEFENCE
RAJYA SABHA

UNSTARRED QUESTION NO-2512

ANSWERED ON-20.03.2013

Pay protection of ex servicemen on reemployment

2512 . SHRI MAHENDRA SINGH MAHRA

(a) whether Government of India protects the last pay drawn by ex-servicemen on re-employment in Civil Services / Public Sector Banks / SBI / RBI / LIC and other autonomous bodies under Central / State Government;

(b) if so, then what are the elements / constitutes of the pay drawn by ex-servicemen during Armed forces service are being protected / reckoned / counted for their pay fixation on re-employment; and

(c) whether instructions / guidelines in this regard have been issued and being implemented by Public Sector Undertakings / P.S. Banks / SBI / LIC / RBI and other autonomous bodies of Central / State Government?

ANSWER

MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF DEFENCE
(SHRI JITENDRA SINGH)

(a)&(b):As per the instructions issued by Department of Personnel & Training from time to time, no protection of the pay held by the Ex-Servicemen (ESM) prior to retirement is given and he is allowed to draw pay only in the prescribed pay scale / pay structure of the post in which he is re-employed.

(c)Instructions / guidelines in this regard are issued from time to time by the respective nodal administrative ministries and it is the responsibility of the respective organizations to implement the same. Instructions / guidelines regarding pay rules of the State Government and other autonomous bodies under the State Governments are issued by the respective State Governments.

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Dominic Lal said...

Sir, I am Dominic Lal who got discharged from Indian Air Force on 31-05-2005 and joined corporation bank on 03-10-2013. On applying for pay fixation I was informed that I am not eligible for that. Is it true ..? Or else please guide me for further action. My e-mail id is dominlals@gmail.com. As per my information new IBA guidlines are favouring us on this, and some people have already received it.

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Anonymous said...

Sir, All above letters describe pay protection for joining workmen cadre,by PBOR or SSCO or Officers but vice versa Is there any benefit of PBOR joining as Officer (JMGS Scale I) like previous service counted for Increments or Seniority????

RAO GV said...

Yes there is policy.. ishall let u know shortly with all relevant doc

member's communication forum said...

mr rao gv pl guide if protection is applicable for retirees pre2006 and joined bank after 2006
dineshkasaragod66@gmail.com
9495371318

Anonymous said...

Sir
I am retirrd from air force after 20 years of service and joined as a P O in corporation bank .Pls suggest whether i m eligible for pay fixation

Anonymous said...

I joined a PSB inAug2014 and got my fitment . Am I going to get the benifits of 10th bipartite? Someone plz clarify.

Anonymous said...

WHAT IS THE CURRENT STATUS . IT SEEMS BOTH GOVT AND IBA IS AFTER EXM .ONE SAYS DONT PAY DA ON PENSION AND ONE SAYS NO MSP.
BOTH ARE DOING INJUSTICE TO EXM.

Anonymous said...

where is the confusion., The letter clearly says.

In addition to the pay so fixed, as aforesaid, pension and other retirement benefits may be allowed to be drawn. This will, however, be subject to limitation that the aggregate of re-employed pay and pension on re-employment of ex-servicemen would not exceed the minimum of the scale of pay of the General Manager in the Bank as per Ministry of Finance letter No. F4/1/98-SCT(B) dated 2.9.1998.

Anonymous said...

Sir, can anyone comment how Bank DA is fixed during pay fixation

KUMAR said...

IBA HAS FOOLED THE EX-SERVICEMEN AS WELL AS THE FINANCE MINISTRY .FINANCE MINISTRY HAS CLEARLY INSTRUCTED IBA NOT TO VIOLATE THE DOPT ORDERS.IT IS CLEARLY MENTIONED IN THE BEGINNING OF THE LETTER.IBA KNOWINGLY HAS REMOVED THE POINTS WHICH DO NOT SUIT TO THEM CAN IBA AND MINISTRY OF FINANCE CLARIFY WHY THE GUIDELINES GIVEN IN THE PARA 3(V) LETTER NO DOPT OM NO3/19/2009 ESTT(PAY-II) DATED 05 APR 2010 WHICH SAYS( “Fixation of pay of personnel/officers who retired prior to 1.1.2006 and who have been re-employed after 1.1.2006:-- In the case of personnel/officers who had retired prior to 1.1.2006 and who have been re-employed after 1.1.2006, their pay on re-employment will be fixed by notionally arriving at their revised basic pay at the time of retirement as if they had retired under the revised pay structure. This will be done with reference to the fitment table of the Defence Service Rank/Civilian service post (as the case may be) from which they had retired and the stage of basic pay at the time of their retirement )HAS BEEN REMOVED FROM THIS LETTER CONTENT.IBA THINKS THAT THESE FAUJIS ARE STUPIDS AND WILL NOT UNDERSTAND THEIR TACTICS.THIS IS CLEARLY VIOLATION OF INSTRUCTION OF GOVT OF INDIA. IBA SHOULD FEEL SHAME ON THIS.

chandrasekhar bondapalli said...

sir,

Can you tell me the difference of pay & perks between SBI, SBI Associates and between PSUs in clerical cadre.
2. I am selected in SBI Associates clerical cadre (SBH) and also in Andhra Bank clerical cadre (IBPS_IV) which one will have the better life and perks, and also future prospects
3. I am an EXM. and my last pay in band is 11,770 with GP of 2,800/-, GCBof 540/- with MSP 2000/- retired in Oct 2014 with DA @107%.what will be my payment after 10th BPA as a clerk in SBH after probation. What will be my NEW Basic

Bibhuti said...

If DA portion abolished at the time of fitment in PSB all the problems are solved. For initial Basic in Bank take only Basic+Grade from Defence side then take one Basic+Special Allowance/Special Pay of Bank (Bank side will be more). Then calculate present DA of Bank. This formula already published vide e-Circular of SBI P& HRD Sl. No. 1263/2013-14 Circular No : CDO/P&HRD-IR/74/2013-14 dated 18 February 2014. It shows components of pay to be protected retired from Armed Forces on or after 1.1.2006 is Pay Band and Grade Pay, for Before 1.1.2006 Basic+Rank Pay+DP+DR. This circular says please bring it to notice of all concerned forreview/effective fitment made in respect of all the ex-servicemen re-employed in the bank on or after 01.01.2006 and arrange accordingly. Arrears of 10th wage revision in respect of all ex-servicemen re-employed in SBI after 01.01.2006 are still pending. We hope some changes may occure.

LAND275808 said...

what sbi only fitment chenged after join 2014 or all banks. sir wher govt order and any without info dedaction aour pay

Rameshklakkan said...

Who and when thiis will be solved or only blogger discussion

madhavi karuturi said...

Sir, I am an clerk from Army having 16 yrs service, discharged in 2005, joined SBI 2010, as per CCS rules, I should be getting increment for every completed service in Army. Any circular from IBA in this regard, pls advise..My No 9032201235

Ramkirpal Singh said...

I READ YOUR COMMENT ON PAY FIXATION OF EX-SERVICEMAN WHO RETIRED BEFORE 2006 AND JOINED BANKS AFTER 2006. THAT IBA HAS MAKE FOOLED TO EX-SERVICEMAN . MY QUESTION IS THAT NOW WHAT SHALL WE DO TO GET OUR PAY FIXED AS PARA 3(V)OF OM 3/19/ESTT-PAY-II DATED 05th APRIL. OR CANT WE DO NOTHING JUST CHATING ON BLOGS/SOCIAL MEDIA. PLEASE DO SOME THING. MY email id is r.kirpal01@gmail.com

Zakir said...

Hi..I am Zakir here.I retired from Indian Navy on 30 Aug 2015.I joined Indian Overseas Bank on 26 July 2014.My Basic Pay was 9530,Grade Pay - 2800,MSP- 2000.D/A- 3164.GCP-290,KMP/CCA-150..Total Pay-17934.. I just want to know if I am eligible for Pay protection in Bank or not.plse advice me on this.

Zakir said...

Dear all
My Name is Zakir Qadri.Retired as on 30 Aug 2009 from Indian Navy.I joined Indian Overseas Bank as on 26 July 2014. My Basic Pay was at the time of retirement 9530, Grade Pay-2800,MSP- 2000,KMP/CCA-150,GCP- 290.Total 17934. I just wanna know if I m eligible for salary protection.My basic Pay in Bank now is 11765.

Anonymous said...

Clarification regarding fixation of Pay of re-employed ex-servicemen pensioners retiring before attaining age of 55 years and who hold post below commissioned officer rank in the Defense Forces.


Department of Personnel & Training

Establishment (Pay-II)

Reference preceding notes
D/o Posts may please refer to their proposal on preceding page seeking clarification regarding fixation of pay of re-employed/ex-servicemen pensioners retiring before attaining the age of 55 years, who held posts below commissioned officer rank in the Defence Forces and also whether the last pay drawn before retirement is subject to protection.

2. The. matter has been examined in this Department. It is pointed out that paras 4(a), 4(b)(i) and 4(d)(i) of DOS (Fixation of Pay of Re-employed Pensioners) Orders, 1986 as amended vide this Department’s OM. No.3/19/2009-Estt.(Pay.ll) dated 5.4.2010, provide that in case of ex-servicemen
who held post below Commissioned Officer rank in the Defence Forces and in the case of civilians who held posts below Group ‘A’ posts at the time of their retirement before 55 years of age, the entire pension and pension equivalent of retirement benefits shall be ignored, that is, no deduction on this count is to be made from the initial pay fixed on re-employment. Also, in terms Of the Para flin) of CCS (Fixation of Pay of Re-employed Pensioners) Orders, 1986, as amended vide this Department’s O.M. No.3/19/2009-Estt.(Pay.ll) dated 5.4.2010, the initial pay on re-employment shall be fixed as per the entry pay in the revised pay structure of the re-employed post applicable in the case of direct recruits appointed on or after 1.1 .2006. as notified vide Section II, Part A of First Schedule to CCS(Revised Pay) Rules, 2008. These instructions do not provide for protection of last pay drawn before retirement, in such cases.


3. Deputy Secretary (Pay) has seen.
sd/-
(Pushpender Kumar)
Under Secretary (Pay)
D/o Posts [ADG (Estt.)], Dak Bhawan, New Delhi
DoPT ID Note No. 1101965/2015-Estt.(Pay-II) dated 28th August 2015


Anonymous said...

IBA guidelines are not for PBOR they clearly mentioned in para 2.1 (i) mentioned the NPA allowance which is only admissible to doctors ie commissioned officer of the armed forces. and in para(ii) they mentioned the word officer which mean commisioned officer. more over commisioned officer not authorise for DA but in the present senerio lot of PBOR after taking the benifit of fixation now enjoying DA on pension . it is amatter of mis interptation by banks IBA is correct.

Shakti Rawat said...

dear all, never say it is pay protection. it is pay re fixation which has to is consider as salary fixed at minimum. latest orders of DOPT also mention same.'

Shafi Mohammad (PNB) said...

Hi to every body,

Me, Mr. Shafi mohammad (PNB)
I think you people, all of you have not been read all the circulars regarding the issue,
DoPT O.M. No. 3/19/2009-Estt(pay-II)dated 8th Nov 2010 is the reference and base for all circulars, not repeat (NOT)dated circular 5th April 2010 , so don't confuse,

November circular clearly mentioning vide its last para that "in respect of all those Defence Officers/Personnel, whose pension contains an element of MSP, that need not be deducted from the pay fixed on re-employemnt."

So, no confusion for employees, IBA creating confusion by saying "NPA, if any" vide its para 2.1 (i) in annexure to it's letter No./HR&IR/CIR/2013-14/589/8764 dated jan 30 2014, which is followed by all banks.

But Ministry of railways also accepted and given clear instructions to pay MSP to their employees, vide their latest letter dated 10 Oct 2015..... read again......

comrades please take the further necessary actions...

Mob - 9177587397 (Shafi Mohammad)

Anonymous said...

very intrestting comment doing the Railway job and getting the MSP it maens every thing is possible in india where while doing the militry job you will get MSP after retirement it will be included in your pension and there after it will be reflected in your pay on reemployment . my india is great

datla srinivasa raju said...

dear rao garu kindly give me the IBA guilnes.regarding re fixation of salay in psb.wecare from UCO BANK applied for re fixation of salary as per GOI guidelines but till not yet been any reply from our HO.Please sent relevant doc to my e mail- datla44796@gmail.com Thank you rao garu Actually i am from vizag .EX MEG CENTRE BANGALORE.

Anonymous said...

IBA reproduced the ministry letter they dont know what is npa they might of thought non performing asset . Dear every body is aware that juniors are getting more pay than their senieor counter part is it correct. So PBOR are not authorise for pay protection/fixation so clarify it dont save the skin by reading half sentence.

joynal abdin said...

Sir
I am Ex service Man Rtd from Army. I achieved Graduation cert from Indian Army. Now I am in Bank Service of SBI.
That Sir as you aware that there are provision of extra 2(two) no of increments are awarded to the Graduate Employee by the Bank so I may kindly be informed wheather the said increments may I be awarded the for my Captioned Certificate equivalent to Graduation one Or not. Thanking you.

Your Faithfully
Md Joynal Abdin

Rameshkakkan said...

What happened to stay by kerala highcourt

Rameshkakkan said...

Can any one reply MA from open university for graduation increment given in any bank

saroj said...

Dear Friends,

The concept of pay-re fixation is totally ambiguous as a veteran retired but joined a PSB little later is less paid from a veteran joined immediate joined after retirement. Pay protection or re-fixation should be as uniform as the qualifying service . i.e. if a person joining a PSB after 20 yrs of military service , to protect the pay by giving the benefit of the military service the pay should be re-fixed at par with a clerk of the PSB with the same length of service at that particular time or the last pay drawn by the veteran - whichever is higher. This will bring an end to the huge disparity between the payments of ex-servicemen joining in PSBs. I am Sgt S K Mishra Veteran , retired from IAF on 31 Jan 2012 after 20 yrs and joined Andhra Bank on 27 July 2015. My basic re-fixed at 20095/- where as my colleague retired on Jan 2015 has been re-fixed at 28000/- , a direct difference of 8000/- on basic and around 15000/- on gross salary. This is happening due to ambiguous policy on pay-refixation.

We as veterans has to unite and fight for an uniformed pay structure for all .

Anonymous said...

S k ji only those will join who get less pay u r lucy enough that u joined after 6th pay commision what happen to those who joined in 5th CPC So dear in IBA guideline no protection for PBOR but bank s are paying more. So legal portion in bank side is weak even DOPT clarified that PBOR are not authorise but people are duble MSP let them enjoy why we should get bad name, my india is great.

Jagdish Rajpal said...

DEAR ALL ESMS
KINDLY NOTE THAT YOUR EX SERVICE FRIENDS WHO JOINED CENTRAL GOVT DEPTTS ARE NOT GETTING LAST PAY DRAWN EITHER BY MEANS OF RE FIXATION OR ADVANCE INCREMENTS. DOPT HAS CLEARLY DENIED IT IN THE CLARIFICATION GIVEN TO DEPTT OF POSTS.YOU ARE FIGHTING FOR MSP INCLUSION ON THE OTHER HAND NOTHING IS GIVEN.
DOPT CLEARLY SAYS PAY FIXATION TO ESMs AFTER 2006 IS STOPPED AND IS FOR ONLY OFFICERS. HON. SC ALSO HAS GIVEN DECISION IN 2013 THAT IF NOTHING IS DEDUCTED FROM YOUR PENSION THEN THE PAY HAS TO BE FIXED AT THE MINIMUM.
SAY THANKS TO THE GOD.YOU ARE DOING NOTHING EXTRA ORDINARY IN BANKS THAN ESMs WHO JOINED CENTRAL GOVT JOBS. FIGHT FOR ALL BECAUSE SOONER OR LATER IBA WILL STOP YOUR FACILITY OF LAST PAY DRAWN. DO NOT TAKE MUCH LOAN FROM BANK AT LOWETR RATE OF INTEREST BECAUSE FUTURE IS UNCERTAIN.

Jagdish Rajpal said...

DEAR FRIENDS
AS PER DOPT GUIDE LINES ON PAY FIXATION ,PBORs ARE NOT ENTITLED FOR PAY PROTECTION BECAUSE THEIR PENSION IS FULLY IGNORED.CENTRAL GOVT DEPTTS ARE NOT GIVING PAY FIXATION TO YOUR FRIENDS WHO JOINED CENT GOVT JOBS. SOONER OR LATED IBA WILL DO THE SAME THING.KINDLY BALANCE YOUR FINANCES FOR FUTURE DEVELOPEMENTS.

Anonymous said...

I retired on sep 2014 with basic pay 12310, grade pay 2800,x pay-1400,msp 2000,Dearness allowance @107% and classification pay 240.I joined UCO Bank on 25 Jun 2015. Bank refixed my basic to 24675/-.Kumar sir can you tell me in this matter?what should be my basic. I don't know how they fixed my basic? pleas post. thanks alot.

saroj said...

Dear Friends ,

Im really confused with the comments made by people in this forum. Some saying ESM are not eligible for pay protection and some are saying yes. Some quoting abstracts from IBA and DOPT circulars but nobody is clear about the guidelines . Only creating more confusion. My point is that is it fair enough that two ESMs joining PSB at the same date with different pay fixation ?Is it a sin that a person joining PSB with some gap after his retirement ? As I have mentioned earlier , we all together must fight for a fair and uniformed pay fixation for all joining PSB with same length of service , no matter the date of discharge and DA there upon at that time. The pay should be fixed at par with the length of service by the Clerk of that particular PSB . Then only the disparity can be solved.

Please understand the matter and use the platform to put forward the suggestion for the betterment of all ESMs.

Anonymous said...

Gentalman those got their salary fixed they are trying to include msp,even ration money amount and cilq which is reflected in lpc as per the provision of the letter Nov 1958 of ministry of finance those not got the benefit they trying for pay protection at par with their counterpart now situation is that junior clerical in bank is drawing more than an officer in the bank this is practical now situation is such if a ssc officer join in clk he can get the pmt up to GM pay scale this is the rule says.

Mani Kandan said...

Dear veterans,
All the anomalies in refixation are the result of basis for refixation. The basis is last pay drawn. The definition of pay varies from time to time depending upon the CPC under which one retires and the Bipartite under which he is re-employed. The only method to be fair and justifiable is to change the basis from last pay drawn to length of military service. I belong to a generation which fought our best to bring this change, but could not. I suggest your generation takes fwd the struggle.

Mani Kandan said...

Dear Kumar sir, can you pls give the history of pay refixation for exservicemen reemployed in the banking industry? Since when it started? There has ben no such fixation Central Govt at any point in time. But in banking industry award staff have ben gtg fixation way back in 80s. Could you let us know since when this started and how?

Zakir Qadri said...

Dear all. I retired in 2009 from Navy and joined a PSB in July 2014. My juniors who retired from Navy in 2012 and immediately joined PSBs are getting salary above 50K now and I am who joined after 5 years from retirement getting a salary of around Rs.18000/= presently. Will any ex servicemen here would throw some light whether I am eligible for re-pay fixation in Bank as my salary at the retirement was around 17900/= is less what I am getting now in Bank. Should 15 years in military is not considered for re-pay fixation. I dont know whom to ask because nobody seems to be knowing anything regarding this. My cell no is 7057801281.

Anonymous said...

My dear zakir joing the psb is a musical chair game so don't waste ur time everything is possible in India everyone who got the benefit will talk less on the issue other will cry so keepon crying . IBA guidelines are not for PBOR

saroj said...

Dear Sir ,

This anomaly in pay fixation is highly ambiguous as I am stressing again and again. Pay protection in true sense if extended should be taken into consideration of the year of service put up by the veteran. The payment should be fixed at par with the clerk of the respective PSB with the same length of service as the EXM has put up as military service. For example - if a personnel retired from navy after 15 yrs and joined PSB , so the pay should be fixed at par with a clerk with 15 yrs of bank service at that particular time. This follows with personnel with length of service of Army & IAF. This will address the real pay protection of EXM joining specially PSBs. Not the present practice that is been followed. So friends let us writ together to the defence ministry to address this anomaly and to regulate a fresh rule regarding par protection. Together we can do it. Many of us who are enjoying at stagnation level may not be interested , but we should and must take this forward.

Anonymous said...

Dear saroj im agree with u but on the other hand will you allow ur pension to go off because u are taking the benifit of no of years will u surrender ur gratuity and comutation to the bank im talking about this because these are the q ahead. So true interptation is the IBA gudelines are notfor PBOR. banks are wrong. only solution is the advance increment should be granted only then it will fit in rule that we are fixed at minimum and we can draw DA on pension and retain our gratuity and comutation

santosh mahadevan said...

Sir iam Santosh mahadevan retiredv from IAF on 30 Sep 2014. Ihave now joined Indian Bank . St the time of retirement my basic was 12310 grade pay 2800 andDA 107%. I recieved a letter from Indian Bank regarding my fixation where they added my basic and grade pay and 107% to the gross amount ie. 12310+2800+107%of(12310+2800)=15110+16167=31277. and hence fixed my basic at 22385+39.9%DA=31316. whereas my friends who joined at same time have been fixed at 25000 something as basic. can anyone giude me if my fixation is right and if not what is wrong

Anonymous said...

DEAR ALL
PAY FIXATION WAS ALWAYS THERE SINCE 1958.PLEASE GO THROUGH THE FINANCE MINISTRY OM DTD 05/11/1958 WHICH SAYS IN PARA 1 THAT ON RE EMPLOYMENT THE PAY SHOULD BE FIXED AT THE MINIMUM OF THE SCALE.THIS IS NOT CHANGE TILL TODAY.
EXCEPTION TO THE FIXATION AT MINIMUM IS GIVEN IN PARA 2 OF THE OM SAYING IN CASE THE APPOINTING AUTHORIY FEELS BY FIXING PAY TO MINIMUM WILL CAUSE UNDUE HARDSHIP THEN THE ADVANCE INCREMENTS EQUAL TO NUMBER OF YEARS OF SERVICE RENDERED IN DEFENCE FORCES CAN BE GIVEN.
THIS POINT IS FURTHER CLARIFIED BY HON SC IN THE CASE OF DIRECTOR GEN OF POSTS VS B RAVINDRAN EX SGT IAF.CALCULATION OF HARDSHIP AND IGNORANCE OF PENSION EVERY THING IS COVERED IN THE SAID DECISION.IF ANYBODY IS INTERESTED IN THE HISTORY OF PAY FIXATION HE CAN READ SAME DECISION AVAILABEL ON NET.

Vannadil Chittaranjan said...

Dear Veterans

My name is Chittaranjan VN retired from Indian Army on 31-01-2006 and joined in RRB (Kerala Gramin Bank) on 15-04-2013.

It is very awful to say that all other Ex-Servicemen who joined on the same date (15 April 2013) along with me in the Bank are using to draw around three times more than my salary. I have had more service while in defence (almost 10 years in the rank of Havildhar itself or equivalent rank in other services) than my entry-mates (Ex-servicemen) in the bank. Still, I had been not at all considered for Pay Fixation by the Bank. It is notable that recently Central Govt has passed the Bill for ONE RANK ONE PENSION to compensate such status issues of Ex-Servicemen. Only slight variation could be observed while comparing the Basic Pay + Grade Pay + Class Pay and other allowances for all Ex-Servicemen of the same rank in the bank. In point of fact it had been informed me that, since I haven’t had DA as per last pay certificate I shall not be bestowed with pay fixation.

While on Pay fixation DA (Dearness allowance) may not be considered as obligatory because it is benefited only to mitigate the impact of inflation on people. It may be varied time to time. If the DA is converted as Dearness pay, then the same should be added with basic pay for revision. Subsequent appeal had been given many times that I may please be reconsidered by reviewing the Basic Pay + Grade Pay + Class Pay and other allowances which were given to my entry-mates during pay fixation. Whenever I meet my entry-mates and conferring about salary, it deems myself as the odd one and hence the disheartening.

Dear friends I may please be advised how to act for the benefit.

Vannadil Chittaranjan said...

Dear Sirs,

My name is Chittaranjan VN retired from Indian Army on 31-01-2006 and joined with RRB (now Kerala Gramin Bank).

It is very awful to say that all other Ex-Servicemen who joined on the same date (15 April 2013) along with me in the Bank are using to draw around three times more than my salary. I have had more service while in defence (almost 10 years in the rank of Havildhar itself or equivalent rank in other services) than my entry-mates (Ex-servicemen) in the bank. Still, I had been not at all considered for Pay Fixation by the Bank. It is notable that recently Central Govt has passed the Bill for ONE RANK ONE PENSION to compensate such status issues of Ex-Servicemen. Only slight variation could be observed while comparing the Basic Pay + Grade Pay + Class Pay and other allowances for all Ex-Servicemen of the same rank in the bank. In point of fact it had been informed me that, since I haven’t had DA (DA was not allowed during Jan 2006) as per last pay certificate, I shall not be bestowed with pay fixation.

While on Pay fixation DA (Dearness allowance) may not be considered as obligatory because it is benefited only to mitigate the impact of inflation on people. It may be varied time to time. If the DA is converted as Dearness pay, then the same should be added with basic pay for revision. Subsequent appeal had been given many times that I may please be reconsidered by reviewing the Basic Pay + Grade Pay + Class Pay and other allowances which were given to my entry-mates during pay fixation. Whenever I meet my entry-mates and conferring about salary, it deems myself as the odd one and hence the disheartenment.

Pay fixation in such a manner that Basic Pay in the bank to be gradated in the array of Basic Pay + Grade Pay + Class Pay + MSP of military service and DA as admissible on employment in the bank should be admitted.

Devraj Singh Pal said...

Sir
I want to know thati have been issued with provisional PPO MY FITMENT OF PAY CAN BE MADE OR NOT WORKING IN IOB

sankar said...

I am ex servicemen name P Sankaranarayanan i am retired in armed forces 01 apr 2006 and enrolled in State bank of India armed guard on 28 Nov 2013 at the time of released AF band pa Rs 8000, Grade pay Rs 2000 DA2006 jan to jun nil percentage SBI told that ur not eligible for payfixation as per govt or IBA rules have not cleared payfixation which contains taken pl reply

Vivek Chawla said...

Individually the case of pay fixation at bank can not be solved due to following reason. First, Bank is autonomous in their HR. Second, there is no pay protection provided to ex servicemen re-employed in central government. Though the bank is doing pay fixation but it is following the guide lines issued by DOPT which is very confusing. Further DOPT guide lines only give leverage to short service commissioned officer otherwise its guidelines ensured that basic pay and basic pension received by PBOR and permanent commissioned officer on re employment should be lower or exactly at par with basic pay drawn at the time of discharge from military service. Third, For pay fixation, Banks follow the guidelines of IBA, IBA follow the guidelines of DOPT so DOPT does not have guidelines which deals with pay fixation of PBOR. Fourth, Now question can be raised why bank is doing pay fixation to PBOR since long back? Here is the reason. As I said DOPT guide lines are very confusing and in confusion pay protection is given to PBOR at bank since long back. Further, in past years, the initial term of engagement for PBOR was 9 years and giving pay protection will not lead to surrender of DA as after 9 years PBOR not entitled for pension so there was no much loss. PBOR in IAF become Sergeant after completion of 8 years of service in IAF. It means sergeant have sufficient knowledge and experience of an organization. The knowledge and experience of PBOR was recognized by bank and they continue to giving pay protection to PBOR.
IAF increase the term of engagement from 9 years to 15 years and further to 20 years. Thus PBOR were bond to serve the IAF till completion of bond. In this way, We see that IAF mold the service conditions to use knowledge and experience of PBOR for smooth functioning of organization and to achieve reduction in work and responsibilities of officers. But guidelines issued by DOPT remains same as these guidelines take care of ex-servicemen who served the armed forces for 9 years. This can be very well verified while you apply for re-employment. In advertisement you will find it under definition of ex-servicemen. This definition says that whether you serve say for 5 or 10 or 15 or 20 years, you are an ex-servicemen and entitled for ex-servicemen reservation for group C and D post and age relaxation. In this way, PBOR faces double damage to his career. First stagnation in IAF resulting loss of pay and status in IAF second there is no career in civil job after putting 20 years service in IAF. Because your age is more resulting tough competition with young people rapidly changing technology and education. Though knowledge and experience gained in IAF is more than sufficient but PBOR lags in educational knowledge because this was acquired though distance learning mode which leads to weakness in theoretical aspect.

In view of the above you will find that career of PBOR not protected taking into consideration the changing service condition of IAF and changing civil environment. Therefore most of the PBOR are suffering in terms of pay and status. PBOR problems can not be solved by individually. There is a need of a platform to resolve the issue pertaining to PBOR by presenting comprehensive details before appropriate authority.

Deep Kumar said...

Dear Friends,

Now there is AIEXBEF. Today we have a meeting for the North zone at Chandigarh under the chairmanship of Mr. Jasbir Pannu and above points were discussed vigorously with conclusive decisions. pl be a real warrior and become a member of AIEXBEF. So that this may be taken forward aggressively

Regards
Deep Kumar
Exman- A Banking Warrior
9779923901

Anonymous said...

No body fight for other ur union is of those exman who got protection and drawing more pay than their senior pre 2006 retire e has no place to speak they are very less in number more over if they will take panga only dispute will arise then how we can join a union which is opposite party in court so for save ur interest pls unite but think that if person born earlier what is his fault he can't wait for pay commission